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From the Taylor series for we know the following equation:
| (1) |
Now let us assume that is rational. This would mean there are two natural numbers and , such that:
This yields:
Now we can write using (1):
This can also be written:
The first sum is obviously a natural number, and thus
must also be natural. Now we see:
Since we conclude:
We have also seen that this is an integer, but there is no integer between 0 and 1. So there cannot exist two natural numbers and such that , so is irrational.
Related:
ErIsIrrationalForRinmathbbQsetminus0, NaturalLogBase
Major Section:
Reference
Type of Math Object:
Theorem
Parent:
Mathematics Subject Classification
11J82 Measures of irrationality and of transcendence11J72 Irrationality; linear independence over a field
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Comments
make thhis an example
Maybe it would be a good idea to add this
entry as an example under the "irrational"
node.
Re: make thhis an example
Yes, that seems like a good idea. Have done this now.
how do we know that e is not a natural number?
How do we know that 1/b<1 in this proof? In other words,
how do we know that b cannot be 1, and e a natural number?
Are there some simple way of deducing this? For example,
it is easy to see that
e< 1/0! + 1/1!=2,
but is it easy to see that e<3?
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
One way to show that e<3 is the following. By definition,
log 3 = \int_1^3 1/t dt.
This integral is larger than its trapezoidal approximation
1/2(1/1 + 1/2) + 1/2(1/2+1/3) = 7/6 > 1,
so log 3 > 1. Hence 3 > e.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
That is a neat proof, but there is one thing I do not
understand. How do you know that the trapezoidal
approximation is larger than the integral? Although
we have
f(1+1/2) = 2/3 < 3/4 = 1/2(f(1)+f(2))
f(2+1/2) = 2/5 < 5/12 = 1/2(f(2)+f(3))
I don't think it is completely trivial.
One can also show that log 3>1 by approximating:
int_1^3 f(t) > 1/n \sum_{k=1}^2n f(1+k/n)
where f(t) = 1/t. Here the inequality holds as
f is strictly decreasing. (In the sum, the function
is sampled at the right side of each interval.)
Setting n=4 yields numerically 1.01 >1. Although
this gives a sum of 8 terms to compute it is not as
neat as your solution, but still
something one can do by hand.
I added a request for a proof that 2<e<3. It is given
here:
http://planetmath.org/?op=getobj;from=requests;id=520
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
> That is a neat proof, but there is one thing I do not
> understand. How do you know that the trapezoidal
> approximation is larger than the integral?
Sorry, my mental picture was slightly off when I wrote that. I had been thinking of the region under y = 1/x as being convex, which of course isn't true.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
You mean e > 1/0! + 1/1! = 2. As for why e < 3, we can look at e's Taylor expansion again, with the first two terms chopped off:
1/2! + 1/3! + ... + 1/(n+1)! + ...
Compare it term by term with
1/2 + 1/4 + ... + 1/2^n + ...
which is 1.
Use induction to show that 1/(n+1)! < 1/2^n for n>1. So e - 1/0! - 1/1! < 1, or e < 3.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
How about this?
It suffices to show that e^(-1)> 1/3
To do so, we use the series representation
e^(-1) = (1-1) + (1/2-1/6) +(1/24-1/120) + ... + (1/(2k)!-1/(2k+1)!)+...
The terms of this series are all positive.
The first two terms add up to 1/3.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
The simplest solution is to change "1/b < 1" to "1/b <= 1". We don't need < here because there is < in the previous display. This will fix the proof without requiring a separate proof that e is not a natural number.
reference to Euler's proof that e is irrational
Various pages on the web state that Euler proved this.
Either in 1757
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ma2mrm/generalinterest.html
or in 1737
http://numbers.computation.free.fr/Constants/Miscellaneous/irrationality...
Currently the whole production of Euler is available on
the web. Here:
http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~euler/
Does anyone have a reference to the original proof? It would
be nice to have a link to this in this entry. However,
as the works are written in latin, it is not completely trivial
to find a specific result.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
I do not quite follow this. What do you mean with 'previous
display'?
The proof is based on the counterassumption that e is
rational. If e is a natural number, the proof gives that
sum_(k=b+1)^\infty b!/k! is a natural number,
and
0< sum_(k=b+1)^\infty b!/k! <=1
Now there is no contradiction; there is a natural number k
satisfying 0<k<=1.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
The 'previous display' refers to the inequality which shows
\sum_{k=b+1}^\infty b!/k! STRICTLY LESS than the geometric series
which is = 1/b.
So it is not needed to know 1/b < 1
to get strict inequality (tail) < 1.
// Steve
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
By 'display' I mean a collection of math symbols that is printed on a line by itself, centered horizontally. Steve correctly identified the display that I was referring to.
Re: how do we know that e is not a natural number?
Silly me. Now I get it. Many thanks.